Indoor and Outdoor Markets (LLE12)
Core Offer
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This core offer includes services that the council is legally obliged to provide. The link below provides detailed information about what is included.
Link: LLE12 - Indoor and Outdoor Markets
Related FAQs
You’re closing the market in a Market Town.
We are not proposing to close the market. The indoor market needs a lot of investment and we don’t have the money. We are looking at different ways that the market can operate in the future and looking to partner with a commercial organisation that can bring in the sort of money needed to make this important building a landmark the town can be proud of for generations to come. Traders are playing an active role in efforts to identify a partner to take over the management of the indoor and outdoor markets.
If traders don’t/can’t come up with a plan for the indoor market, what will you do? There must be some other means rather than selling it?
Traders were given an opportunity to put forward a business plan to take over the running of the market. However, following discussions with traders, it was decided to look for an external partner to take over the running of the Covered Market and the twice-weekly outdoor markets. Efforts to identify a preferred partner are ongoing and the markets will trade as normal in the meantime. In the event that efforts to secure an external partner are unsuccessful, the Council would continue to work with traders to reach a solution. However, we are confident there will be sufficient interest that the right partner can be found.
How much would it cost to save the library and the indoor market?
The market is not under threat of closure, so there is no single figure available to save it. With input from traders, the Council is looking for a partner to invest in and improve the market. The relocation of the central library from Crown Street reduces spending by £300,000, so if the relocation does not happen the Council would need to find alternative savings to balance the budget.
Why keep the Dolphin Centre – more people would want to save the library and market first?
Unfortunately the lack of funding means the Council must take some very tough decisions and they have proposed that keeping the Dolphin Centre is important to the borough and it can be kept open at the same time as maintaining a town centre library. In terms of the market, as stated earlier it is not closing. It is hoped the recent announcement – that the Council is working with traders to identify a partner to take over the management of the market – will put an end to incorrect speculation that it will close. Closure of the Dolphin Centre would have a significant impact on the Council’s ability to narrow the health gap as a significant proportion of the population use the Dolphin Centre on a regular basis. You can, of course, suggest an alternative to be considered.
Is the indoor market being sold to generate revenue or reduce council costs?
We are not proposing to sell the market. The Council, in full consultation with traders, is looking at leasing out the covered market to secure its long-term future. We want the market to thrive and it needs private investment to enable this to happen. Work to secure a private sector partner is ongoing and has the support of traders. Such an approach, if successful, will improve the quality of the market provision and ensure the council does not need to invest significant sums in the maintenance of the building.
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Core LLE12 (Indoor and Outdoor Markets) Local traders and their livelihoods once and the towns history. The market hall if it is allowed to go leaves darlington with faceless big name retailers that any other place has. foffanos the most recent I can think of and its venture into the deli should be commended for trying to bring variety into the town and they are now hit with this ? Are the vunerable to be hit again ? kids need support when young to give help before the problems become bigger. whether this is at learning levels or at children's home levels. local businesses see enough trouble already with dealing with shoplifters, drunks, drugs and more recently troublesome teens. it's bad enough now by not giving support ( and aid to relevant charities) you are encouraging this to spiral. My issue is not so much children centres closing and maybe being condensed into one hub it's the wider picture and the fact that some of the charities do the work that the social services can't afford to. They pick up the reins and step in when others will not but the impact of what they do should not be overlooked. I acknowledge that things such as xmas lights, flowers, grass cutting are a luxury. I also believe though that the council are suggesting library staff ( and others) face redundancy how about those at the top taking a cut in wages ? many other businesses have faced restructure amongst every level and to stay afloat if that's what it takes . it is not a miracle cure but it would also be a gesture that those at the top also acknowledge that they'll need to bear the pressure of cuts. |
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Core LLE12 (Indoor and Outdoor Markets) I recently found out that the towns museum collection is at The Bowes Museum. Once again our heritage but not in the town and not easily available. Even Middlesbrough which has surely more deprivation that Darlington has both a museum and a Carnegie Library which was saved from demolition by the townspeople who recognised its value. The market should be being promoted as a a food hub for the area with local growers and suppliers bringing their food to a wonderful covered market which would encourage food tourism and othe business in the area. Look to the fantastic markets elsewhere in the country that often feature on the BBC Food programme. If they can do it elsewhere why can't we do it here? This fantastic, beautiful building must not be allowed to be bought by a developer who would turn it into goodness knows what. The loss of these two would bring about further decimation of the town centre. It must be avoided at all costs. Appeal to Government for more money for these alone. Look to philanthropy for the library. If it was this that made the Pease family provide the library there must be plenty of charities and philanthropists who could get involved. Can a large company such as Amazon be approached. They don't pay enough tax but could be persuaded to support reading in this way. Let's not just sit back and give up. There must be a way forward. |
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Core LLE12 (Indoor and Outdoor Markets) We must retain the character of the town for future generations. |
Cut W13 (Street Cleaning and Environmental Crime) one simple example, but there are numerous, as you know, _ Parks and Open spaces team set to go totally. This is worse than it was years ago. Street Scene cannot takeover . They have a smaller team and not the knowledge or skills. Good summer meadows can be fantastic, but letting grass grow long and seed attracts dogs, foxes, rats, litter,broken glass, and cannot be sold to a farmer at the end of a season. More importantly, parks cut grass areas for leisure, play, recreation spaces cannot be lost when its the health provider for many families who do not have cars or gardens.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.Where else can they be a game of 'jumpers for goalposts' set up? Councillors Short sightedness can ruin lives, especially in disadvantaged areas. Protect these areas. Closing whole offices -What will happen to all the historic records ??????? Peoples desks/records and information will be lost in many cases, Theyb won't care as much if they are leaving. Protect these things.-the expertise and knowledge, experience etc will be gone and darlington will be much worse off for that. Losing Enforcement [environment] means that the villains of fly tipping and dog fouling, or walking dogs on school grounds or cemeteries will take over and ruin the town. This is a ridiculous decision to make. Keep that post. It pays to in many ways. Just because something is not a statutory requirement does not mean it has to go in it's entirety. I am not certain all of the councillors are familiar with how these things work at the council AND in practice. If they do, they will re-consider and act more responsibly, looking to the future being based on the past, not lose the past! It cannot be recovered. Ensure it is safely recorded and remembered for posterity. The market can be run by some other organisation, it prob should have for many years, but the Library building should not be lost. It IS the jewel in the crown of the town. Sacrilege to let it go...any any priice. |
Core LLE12 (Indoor and Outdoor Markets) on a first come first served basis and make money out of the square? people love traditional markets not what we have at the moment |
Cut W12 (Grounds Maintenance, Horticulture, Parks and Countryside Management) 1.Under the heading Town Centre you only mention Christmas lights,the water feature and floral displays there is no mention of the covered market prosed closure which for me is the most important. 2.the only mention is in the question and answer.The question should have been you,re closing the indoor market in a market town,obviously you wont close the outdoor market as it does not cost you anything.In short in my opinion the question and answer was too vague you sholud have been more precise. It does seem to me that the council are only interested in new builds and not preserving our historic heritage. Any comments would be appreciated. |
Core LLE12 (Indoor and Outdoor Markets) We need to retain the Crown Street library and Covered Market. Sell assets Dolphin Centre and Civic Theatre. With the best intentions council tax has been too low for a long time, hence the shortfall in government funding with comparable councils in the South. Move the registrars to the Crown Street library. A much better facility for Births, Deaths and particularly Marriages. Saving money on alterations to the Town Hall. (the Registrars make money for the council). With immediate effect place Ada Burns on redundancy notice. We cannot afford such a highly paid individual in the present circumstances. We appear not to be getting value for money. Question To maintain the status quo, i.e. retain the Covered Market and Crown Street Library, how much would council tax have to be increased? |
Core LLE12 (Indoor and Outdoor Markets) This may be a way ahead that would allow market holders control but in addition may attract other to become involved. For the library did you think about offering. To help set up a trust? |
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Core LLE12 (Indoor and Outdoor Markets) Do be so stupid Dixon I quote "alongside the essential services that protect the most vulnerable in our society" you sack social workers who work with mental health. You taken money from Darlington Mind and other mental health care and you say protect the most vulnerable people of this town. You are joking right? I am sick of hearing how poor this council is when you knew the cuts were going to happen and the damage it will do. Called save something for the bad times you know when you have a lot you can put someway for a bad day then help your vulnerable people Now you lot want to rape the town of its library and the heritage. You seem to be getting a lone in which I and yourself will be paying back over years how thick can you get? As you want to shift a perfectly great library into a dull place which building can’t even stand up and had more work do on it since it was built and loosing money daily so you shove my library in that hell hole I think not. Cost you more in sacking staff but as pointed out to me it would be a one off payment sure it will but its costing you to do it when asked how much it will cost I have no clue well thank you at least you are right you have not a clue. You manage to find money for the indoor scruffy indoor Market which is hardly used and is a waste of money in fact you can get the diggers in be much better than see some out of date stalls and some idiot veg man Blair shoving his two penny worth talking utter crap which is nothing new. Leave the library as is (save you money) Put the out door market back into the square where it was and stop selling crap in which I can buy in a charity shop (bring people back) Rip up the pedestrian heart as it cost you more in cleaning it (save some money) Sell off council land at a sensible price which you over estimated as its greed and build bus station (that you can charge the bus companies made you more money) Sack the Ada Brown who ever she is (6 figure saved) Cut your own council wage by half you can manage I have to feel the pain so can you (more savings) Loose the Dolphin centre it been eating money ever since it was open and loosing more daily (another massive saving) Get rid of the expenditure for which you can claim for (save you money) Sack few civic staff like the Corn Mill that waste of money No money for Bowling club at Morrison’s Shut the council office (sorry that was a joke by the way) Build homes on South Park green field area be great for making more money from selling the land and creating tax (that's is not a joke) Build homes in West end affordable homes so you can home the Hawkers and gypsy of the town and like me you can put up with them (that is not a joke then we be equal See Dixon I done your job in less than a minute. They you go I've saved you money. Since I have been slam with 4% rise on my tax and will go up as you are getting kick by the government can I have my lane clean at some point in time as its look like a shit hole as you sacked those who did do a great job at catching the fly tippers and put before the courts. Just that my lane door is full up with off cuts of carpets, rubbish bags, we also have broken mirror, dog shite, and rags and brick in my lane. Don't you worry its not in your area so you will not have to look at it. Thank you. |
Core LLE12 (Indoor and Outdoor Markets) Sack Ada for the child abuse cases and why do you need 14 assistant directors,why sack council workforce then re employ the day after on 500 pounds a day!! Stop giving building companies sweetners to complete a building on time then wait 5 years for the money to be returned-its not your money Sack Ada for gross mis conduct-no pension save 300,000 sack Bill and the hangers on saving another 2.7 million,demand 4 million back from cinema complex and 1 million from car park theres 8 million saved already,why have you agreed to sell the indoor market to a supermarket and why build more shopping units when the queens arcade was meant to get fitted out some ten years ago and why move mowden to council and give them free parking when again its our money ,our land and our services that will be used issue the last 2 million from the war chest you know we have and having cut the services the council tax was meant for ie libaries,street cleaning,grass cutting etc lower the council tax to below 2 % then you wouldnt need a referendum which again hasnt materialised by Law also remove the Mayor and his hangers on and the PCC as again a total waste of time typical Labour controlled Council frittering money cos you know its not yours and why not START CHARGING DISABLED DRIVERS TO PARK IN ANY CAR PARK as they park where the want with no re coarse,if they can walk to town they can walk to the meter,stop blue disc s saving you more give us our town back |
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Core LLE12 (Indoor and Outdoor Markets) The market should be council owned but not council run. The stall holders are all business people and quite capable of running the market more efficiently. Crown Street Library should be retained and be a hub. The council should take the opportunity of working with Darlington for Culture and it's positive proposal. The building provides space to have commercial space and even other charities who offer advise. If any council asset should be sold it should be the Dolphin Centre. The council should retain the Central Hall block and sell the rest. The Dolphin Centre is not the only sports centre in the town. There is another swimming pool open to the public as well as another sports centre. There are also a number of commercial alternatives. There is only one Market Hall and only one library service with no private alternatives. If the council proceeds with combining the library and the Dolphin Centre , the work to install an extra floor will disrupt the smooth running of the sports centre. The town's people will vote with their feet and seek other provisions ( like the remodelling of the centre ) and not return. This will kill what little life remains in our town centre. We need to fight to save what makes Darlington a pleasant place to live in and visit. |
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Core LLE12 (Indoor and Outdoor Markets) Q; There’s a lot of debt and a lot of people are suffering because of the debt. A lot of money has been wasted by the Council. Like the water feature, a lot of people did not want that. We are losing a lot of historical features like Cockerton and Crown Street Libraries and the market. A lot of people are proud to live in Darlington but we are losing so much of the history. We hear that suicide rates are increasing in Darlington. A lot of people will not be able to get to a Sure Start in the town centre. The town is going to be like a ghost town. A: There is a misunderstanding about what our debt it. Of the £151m about £71m is in a separate, housing revenue account and is ring fenced. £80m debut is for capital schemes – one off things that we need a large amount of money for. When we built the office block behind the Town Hall to help jobs in the town, the debt in this instance is serviced by the rent for the building. The Government has stopped giving us money to help pay off our debt. When we went into debt we thought the Government would help us. All local authorities have debt for capital schemes. The revenue budget which is being cut, is largely separate from this debt. Only a small percentage of the revenue budget goes to pay off the debt |
Core LLE12 (Indoor and Outdoor Markets) Q: You are only engaging the people now because of the ill feeling. Potentially you are going get rid of the things that matter to the people of Darlington, getting rid of the library, selling the market off to a third party. Taking the heart of the town. Why does the Dolphin centre lose £0.75m a year –is the building not fit for purpose? |
Core LLE12 (Indoor and Outdoor Markets) Q: I have used the library all my life – it is really vibrant. The art gallery has been used a lot more in recent years, community groups have been able to use it. What’s going to happen to that space? Over the years you have destroyed Darlington – why isn’t the market still in the market place? Why are you building a new cinema and new car parks, the cinema in Northgate is surely going to close? You are reducing street cleaning it’s disgusting. The shopping centre is deserted. A: Town centres are changing. The internet is changing it that’s why we need a multiplex cinema, and restaurants to bring people into the town centre and make it vibrant. That is the duty of the local authority to work with traders and industry to make the town centre as vibrant as possible. No-one is doubting Crown Street is a vibrant and great place to be, this proposal is not a criticism of the library. Moving the art gallery has been successful. But this proposal is driven by the numbers, it’s not a proposal we would have come up with otherwise. But there is an opportunity to create something different and maybe better but we still want to hear your views. The reason the market is not in the market place is that the tracers don’t want to be there, they want to be on high row. |
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